If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? This is still a mystery. >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. Lets look at the basic plot of this film. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. Is that how > you> would describe it? S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. WebEyes Wide Shut. --Napoleon. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. ME> Again. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. Orgy? it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? Amazing. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. Before warning him, the Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. <<<<<<<<<<. andpleading with her to take off her mask? > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. Many of the nude women begin pairing up with the fully-clothed men, and the orgy begins in nearly full view. EWS was potential. Can it really compete with Rupert? Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? Statanic mass? This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! Desire is always Other. What else could he call it? Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. Bill Harford doesn't really showmuch recognition in th emorgue scene. Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. > <<<<<<< after> visiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanation> indicated. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. I actually had to look that up. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. Orgy? How? No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. <<<<<<<<<<<>. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. > the same time, being simple and concrete. or psychotherapists. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" >>What else could he call it? While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. He wasn't positive. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Being "all a Charade," doesn't mean it was all a dream. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. 2. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." Barcaluv. It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. > Take another listen. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. at the> ceremony/orgy. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. Please either stop > or> shape up. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). Was she the women at the party?" Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. ", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIXuHaaz5iU, > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. But examine the frame showing the overhead shot in the morgue, with all the shots of Mandy in the bathroom. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). Statanic mass? Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. She helps Bill at the > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. NG was :>the realization of that potential. And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." 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